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Post by hezoe » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:33 am

Check this out!
http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001 ... .2147.html
Is your son a computer hacker? I found while looking for stories about victims of hackers. And what a load of bullsh*t it is!. But its also a good source of laughter. It was posted back in 2002 and there are over 5900 comments bagging the author out. So many corrections need to be made for this article even if it is old, but it is obviously a joke!
Also, about the word 'hacker', it should in fact be 'cracker'. We as computer programmers are hackers. The 'evil' infiltrators on the net are crackers.
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Post by Pete » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:01 am

Holy shit that's funny.

It's clearly satire though...just check out the links every other word -- it's all tongue-in-cheek.

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Post by Z!re » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:34 am

Heh.. I've read it before, it's funny.. and it's a joke :D
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Post by {Nathan} » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:10 pm

#1> That describes me!!!
#2>Then again... I am a hacker...
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Post by Deleter » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:36 pm

The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.
6. Does your son use Quake?
they make it sound like a $$$ or something, lol.
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War.
^priceless
Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this).
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Post by hezoe » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:33 pm

Are you that it's meant to be a joke? Look at the other articles the same author has done. :lol: :mrgreen:

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Hezoe, it's a joke

Post by J.B. » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:59 pm

Hezoe, It is obviously a joke. Not only is it satire, but it is incredibly well done satire, which is rare. I can't believe you though it was serious.

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Post by Rattrapmax6 » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:10 pm

*Bust into Laugh Out Loud Laughter*

Bonzi Buddy can hack? :lol: That annoying lil thing that sings songs and takes up so much power it crashes my comp....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:?: Yeah, big joke alright.. :P .. A darn good 1.. My ribs hurt from laughter!! :lol:
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Post by hezoe » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:07 pm

No, I never thought the author was being serious! I'm certainly not that gullable, but I was just pointing out the seriousness of his other articles. 'Lunix' sure gave it away!
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War.
:lol: :mrgreen:

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Post by matt2jones » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:12 am

some wear pacifiers around their necks.
Strangly enough, I only copped why people wear those in the past two weeks... And I'm still not quite sure I'm right (I didn't ask to confirm it cause it's a sort of stupid thing to miss, and I may have gotten it WAAAY wrong)...

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PPS: And 'hacker' means gaining access to another computer via 'backdoors'

'Cracker' means via a brute force attack, by just guessing the passwords

I 'cracked' the code/password

I 'hacked' the 'mainframe'


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Post by hezoe » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:08 pm

OK, you think that a hacker is whatever you want. But the true meaning is describe here http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html How to Become a Hacker. Hackers build things, crackers break them. :)

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Post by SBM Productions » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:53 am

Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this).
Isn't that a reference to some techno raves? And the pacifiers are there because ecstacy poppers feel the compulsive need to chew, so they wear the pacifier to chew. That's what I heard anyway. What that has to do with hackers I don't know

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Post by matt2jones » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:49 pm

okay lets have a flame war! :twisted:

I challenge you: The basic definition is hackers one who hacks, and crackers is one who cracks.

I think I've read that article before, back when I was 14 and wanted to get into this shit, and If I remember right (and I could be thinking of a different article here), he claims that Bill Gates and his peergroup are real hackers, and that 'computer vandals' are stealing his name. And that really good carpenters are hackers.

From my 'extensive research' back when I was 14 (aka some dodgy bbs apple ][ files) I got the impression that the word hacker was invented by journalists to describe the breaking and entering of the 'cyberworld', and even if it was not, it definatly means that in the popular mind now, and by definition a word means what its used for, so...

And in general 'how to be an <alternate culture>' guides are bullshit, in one respect because these alternate cultures are products of evolution, and not rigidly defined cults, and so the steriotypes and rules are written to try and suit what exists to begin with, and are never really acurate then because the kind of person who likes to write list of rules and steriotypes tends to be a late comer, just getting into the scene trying to sort it out in there own mind by speaking their thoughts aloud, and in another respect because they're always a collection of free thinking individuals with differing codes of conduct, and so the more members the more varied...

whatever.

PS: Just to reasure, I actually enjoy these discussions and I value these arguements because, you know, challenging preconceptions is good, I'm not trying to flake you and i don't mean any of this personaly, its just a debate, okay? No one shut down this thread, YA HEAR ME? (brandishes gun)

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Post by Pete » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:40 pm

Wikipedia wrote: Currently, "hacker" is used in two main ways, one pejorative and one complimentary: in popular usage and in the media, it generally describes computer intruders or criminals; in the computing community, it describes a particularly brilliant programmer or technical expert (for example: "Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, is a genius hacker."). The latter is said by some to be the "correct" usage of the word (see the Jargon File definition below). "Hacker" can therefore be seen as a shibboleth, identifying those who use it in its positive sense as members of the computing community.

As a result of this conflict, the term is the subject of some controversy. The pejorative usage is disliked by many who identify themselves as hackers, and who do not like their label used negatively. Many users of the positive form say the "intruder" meaning should be deprecated, and advocate terms such as "cracker" or "black hat" to replace it. Others prefer to follow common popular usage, arguing that the positive form is confusing and never likely to become widespread. It should be noted however, that the positive definition of hacker was widely used for many years before the negative definition, and thus can be seen as more authentic.

A possible middle ground position observes that "hacking" describes a collection of skills, and that these skills are utilized by hackers of both descriptions, though for differing reasons. The companion situation which illustrates this is the skills involved in locksmithing, specifically picking locks, which ? aside from its being a skill with a fairly high tropism to 'classic' hacking ? is a skill which can be used for good or evil.

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Post by Pete » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:45 pm

A much better and more thorough history of the term "hacker" can be found in chapter 2 of Bruce Sterling's modern classic The Hacker Crackdown.

http://stuff.mit.edu/hacker/part2.html


The term clearly has two separate and distinct meanings. That article's usage of "hacker" was perfectly valid -- it was using the more popular definition meaning "computer criminal" or "computer intruder".

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Post by hezoe » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:34 pm

Well I don't think that 'expert' programmers 'hack'; they create/program. You could say that a cracker 'hacks' and when he (or she) breaches a system, they have cracked. So in MY view:
Hacker = Expert programmer
Cracker = Computer criminal/intruder
Hack = Attempt to breach system
Crack = Successfully breach
:D :D :D :shock:

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Post by Deleter » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:08 pm

thats odd..seeing as originally making a cool game was considered a hack.....

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Post by hezoe » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:55 am

I have never heard that one.

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Post by matt2jones » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:47 pm

A hack is an amatuer, comming from amatuer journalists who couldn't type fluidly and 'hacked' at the keyboard with one finger...
Hacker = Expert programmer
Cracker = Computer criminal/intruder
Hack = Attempt to breach system
Crack = Successfully breach
Wouldn't it make more sense if Hacker = 'one who attempted to breach a system', then something unrelated to any other meaning of the word?

and beleive it or not, my 'extensive research' was the Hacker Crackdown, I fork loved that .txt file, but I was 14 so I've prob. forgotten allot of it.
It should be noted however, that the positive definition of hacker was widely used for many years before the negative definition, and thus can be seen as more authentic.
But of this I admit defeat... Just with a certain confusion... Who's ass did they pull the word out of if it didn't come from the verb Hack?

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Post by Deleter » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:27 pm

I believe, though I can't be sure, that the original usage of the word hack was tied to computer technology at the creation of the first video game, the description of which I don't remember. why it was called a hack, I'm not sure, but it could have been because making a game on the computer was pretty strange and not what the machine was intended for.

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