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Post by Skyler » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:03 pm

$100 USD to the first person who can prove the theory of evolution to be true.
For God so loved the world he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him shall have everlasting life.
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Post by bungytheworm » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:06 pm

I double that if you prove it's wrong and bibble is truth.

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Post by sid6.7 » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:12 pm

funny you should mention this, it was on another forum
i was on and ending up getting a number of people
banned as it devolved into a flame war.... :shock:

the title says 1000$ but you offer 100$ which is it? :lol:

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Post by thegrogen » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:44 pm

Here's something interesting:

1) Take your hand, and hold it straight out in front of you, palm facing away.

2) Now, spread your fingers as wide as they can possibly go.

Notice the webbing between your fingers just above the first set of knuckles?

My hypothesis is that it's a remnant from when we were all amphibians, and we needed webbed feet to swim.
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Post by Z!re » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:25 am

I love religious zealots..

Hey, retards, stop using a fork computer! Jesus never said you were allowed to! fork idiots.
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Post by Z!re » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:27 am

Oh, also, you idiots should read up on: Theory
There's no need to prove it, as it's a theory. All evidence point towards it being true, but it's not proven, thus theory.

Unlike, say, the crappy contradicting book called the bible.

Guess what, you cant reply to either of my two messages, cause jesus says so, "love your enemy", as such, you can only reply if you agree with me.

Enjoy your religion!
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Post by Skyler » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:46 am

Z!re: I have a challenge for you.
Show me some passages where the Bible contradicts itself.
As for the computer, Jesus said, "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel"- and a computer is much faster than walking.
For God so loved the world he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him shall have everlasting life.
John 3:16

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Post by bungytheworm » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:01 pm

So now you have preached your gospel here and you can move on to some other place.

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Post by Z!re » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:15 pm

Skyler wrote:Z!re: I have a challenge for you.
Show me some passages where the Bible contradicts itself.
As for the computer, Jesus said, "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel"- and a computer is much faster than walking.
No, I'm way too busy to find some passage to please your narrow mind.
Also, typing on a computer does not equal walking, or going.
And uhm, if Jesus said that, why are you preaching the bible? Which isnt Jesus word, it's written by other people, and as such, angled from their point of view.
But I cant type anymore now, the bible says I have to sacrifice a goats head cause I'm having my period, see ya.

EDIT: Do you think two doves would be enough? I'm fresh out of goat heads.


EDIT 2: Got some spare time (2 minutes) Here's a preliminary list of what I've found, sort through it yourself:
Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7


Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39


Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44
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Post by potato » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:30 pm

lol god

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Post by sid6.7 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:30 pm

i told ya there would be a flame war didnt i? :twisted: :oops:

ZIRE! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

i see we touched a RAW nerve... :(


well im not sure what website you got that off of Zire
but there are so many errors i don't even know
where to begin... :shock:

needless to say with some serious study and reading
verses/chapters before and after the "quoted" verse
can explain alot...alot of the above are "interpretations"
not EXACT quotes of the verses....and one has to also
understand there are differences betwix the old testament
and the new testament one is based on law and one is
based on the new convenant of mercy thru Christ and
his shed blood......

alot fo the old testment is also referencing the
victory and coming of Christ not nessisarily
the event of the moment...

some is also spiritual in nature not literal in nature
and visa versa...

what you've posted would take a month of sundays
(hint hint) to walk thru to say the least... :D

truley they can be resolved if you can gather a few
like minded ministers and have a sit down with them...

i am NOT however saying the above verses are
easy to understand i've been reading and studying
for 35+ years and still get confused even AFTER
understanding something...depends on if i am
1/2 awake, tired, in a bad mood...etc...

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Post by ShadowWolf » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:16 pm

theologically christianity is a mess , logically its a mess.

but this is besides the point the original post was about proving evolution.
personally by this point i would be willing to say evolution is a theorem because of the insane about of evidence that points to this being true. but in the end the only way to finally class evolution as a theorem by the strictest definition of the term it to well watch it happen and that going to take a few million years.

but as it stands evolution is at the moment one of the core theories of biology. to shed some light on this its biology equivalent to physics general relativity. and there lots of evidence to support it.

if you want to see evolution happening up close look at any virus i.e. HIV it the perfect example of evolution since its ability to copy it own RNA is so bad it make massive mistakes that why its so good at getting around HIV antivirals since a few of them are going to have mutation that allow them to exist and get around the current selection force the anti viral $$$ are producing.

if you want to see evolution up close for your self just take a look at genetic algorithms they model exactly how evolution works.

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Post by {Nathan} » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:41 am

Yes, ShadowWolf, I agree with the virus. Micro-evolution is true. Anyone who denies Micro-evolution should be shot, because we see it. However, where is your proof that given millions of years, seperation, and a need to change, the species will change? I see no concrete evidence of it.

In other words:
Micro evolution: Fact.
Macro evolution: Theory.
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Post by bungytheworm » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:45 am

Nathan1993 wrote:In other words:
Micro evolution: Fact.
Macro evolution: Theory.
Bibble: Book, what someones claims to be real truth, with out any evidence.
Christianity is when human is in a dark, totally empty room looking for a cat and he even claims that he did find it
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Post by nkk_kan » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:54 am

Not only bible... every religion does that
they believe whatever they preach to be a fact....
Relegion is crap..we have to follow weird traditions and all which sometimes are obscure....well if not in christianity it is in hinduism...

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Post by Nodtveidt » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:46 am

$100 USD to the first person who can adequately explain why Skyler has done two things:

1. Promised $1000 in the thread topic but a mere $100 in the thread itself
2. Has started YET ANOTHER religious thread of complete bullshit

I think I can answer #2...he's so insecure in his own religion that he has to try attacking scientific theory, completely ignorant of the actual concept of a theory and therefore ignorant of how the scientific method works. But that's perfectly understandable, as the vast majority of religious zealots are ignorant of the scientific method anyways. Since they can't prove their own doctrine, they think they can force others to "prove theirs".

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Post by ShadowWolf » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:29 am

microevolution and macroevolution are the same things really. it just a scaling issue. you get to see the process at work on virus in a reasonable period of time simple because of the less complex nature.

human , animals are much more complex so it take millions of years to see any real evolution that you can well point to and say yeah that evolution for ya. and for humans we have pretty much removed ourselves from the evolutionary process thanks to our technology, there is no longer any kind selection force that can be placed on us as a species that we can't remove via technology.


anyways the simple fact micro evolution is true means macro evolution is true. humans and other higher order species use really complex genetic tricks with gene's serving multiple roles because of this it doesn't take much for a few key mutations to cause some massive changes. just look at what happens to communities with massive inbreeding.

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Post by Stoves » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:38 am

ShadowWolf wrote:... there is no longer any kind selection force that can be placed on us as a species that we can't remove via technology.
Lol. Yeah, except for the primary "selection force" in evolutionary theory known in layman's terms as "death". Evolution is all about tracing changes in a population which are ultimately determined by the deaths of population members, and up to this point, no technological innovation has removed that key "selection force" so far. :wink:

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Post by {Nathan} » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:20 pm

ShadowWolf wrote:microevolution and macroevolution are the same things really. it just a scaling issue. you get to see the process at work on virus in a reasonable period of time simple because of the less complex nature.

human , animals are much more complex so it take millions of years to see any real evolution that you can well point to and say yeah that evolution for ya. and for humans we have pretty much removed ourselves from the evolutionary process thanks to our technology, there is no longer any kind selection force that can be placed on us as a species that we can't remove via technology.


anyways the simple fact micro evolution is true means macro evolution is true. humans and other higher order species use really complex genetic tricks with gene's serving multiple roles because of this it doesn't take much for a few key mutations to cause some massive changes. just look at what happens to communities with massive inbreeding.
Macro evolution is evolution into new species, while micro evolution is within the species. Just thought I'd say that. :wink:
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