Pete's QBASIC Site

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:39 pm**

Yeah, use google, check wikis, read and learn.

Im so sick and tired trying to understand all possible licences there are used by softwares.

Usually those licences are so "smart" english that i give up after reading first 10 lines.

In case some one knows them good enough to create a simple tutorial etc. of em with some exsamples, i would be extremely happy, and i bet there would be lika a zillion other ones too.

Thx, lurah

Posted: **Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:50 pm**

Software License Agreements, in general, are written as an attempt to protect purchased software from being copied.

Some license agreements can be more complicated by covering other subjects such as:

* Number of users that can make use of the software when the main software is resident on a server. This can have several usage variations.

* The number of months that the software is under warranty.

* The number of months before the software expires. Continues use of expired software may be in violation of the license. You may be expected to purchase the next version. Some expired software will no longer run after the expiry date.

* If support and upgrades were purchased, the number of months that these will be in effect.

Many times, these additional clauses in a software license are just an attempt to do more business with you.

You should read the license agreement on any software that you purchase, and be aware of clauses regarding software expiry and any others involving additional purchases.

Beware of software products that provide additional databases that are maintained and provided via download by the software company. If this company goes out of business, or decides to terminate support for the product, you will have an obsolete database and an obsolete product.

CAVEAT EMPTOR --- the buyer beware.
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Posted: **Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:31 am**

The best liscence I know is the GNU GPL. The general idea is this: Do whatever the hell you want with this (include sell it)... just make your changes and the original source code available to the public.

I go by that with most of my stuff.

Posted: **Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:31 pm**

I'm not a fan of Copyleft licenses like the GPL myself. I prefer a license that doesn't force itself on later users of the code, like the BSD, Apache and Mozilla licenses, where derivatives can be made closed again.

I like Open Source, but I also like to get the best software possible, and that is hampered by copyleft licenses, since good code can never be incorporated into closed-source projects (or indeed, open source projects with different licences).

The GPL locks you in. It's like compulsory freedom, which is curiously contradictory.

Posted: **Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:41 pm**

Licenses are made cause americans are stupid and love finding tiny loopholes, such as if the program is copied to a diskette and then to a calculator ROM then transfered to a space station, it's no longer bound by the license!

*GASP!*

So licenses have to protect against all kinds of retarded crap.

Yes.. retarded.

"This is my program, I dont want you to sell it onwards, nor decompile, or in any other way try to gain access to the source. Nor are you allowed to profit from this in any way unless given permission to do so by me."

Oh, but I used "me" and me refers to a company, I just forgot to say that. So license is invalid.. yay for retarded people!

Anyways, zlib license is a good one.

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:52 am**

The LGPL is the license I use the most. The zlib license is good too. The Zireli license you want to ignore, as it makes you say stupid things.

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:55 pm**

On my Slackware box, I made a program in FB (because it's Linux compatible) that makes the text of a file appear on the terminal window. What's good about this is the fact that I have this 'Star Wars' screensaver. It gets text from a program, and scrolls it like the Star Wars intro-thingys. The reason this is on-subject is because I have the GNU GPL scrolling on it

Nek wrote:The Zireli license you want to ignore, as it makes you say stupid things.

May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?

Posted: **Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:47 pm**

PlayerOne wrote:I'm not a fan of Copyleft licenses like the GPL myself. I prefer a license that doesn't force itself on later users of the code, like the BSD, Apache and Mozilla licenses, where derivatives can be made closed again.

I like Open Source, but I also like to get the best software possible, and that is hampered by copyleft licenses, since good code can never be incorporated into closed-source projects (or indeed, open source projects with different licences).

The GPL locks you in. It's like compulsory freedom, which is curiously contradictory.

And this stops you from lying how?

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:29 am**

Patz QuickBASIC Creations wrote:May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?

Lies, ALL LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oenoneoneeleven

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:03 pm**

Readme.txt wrote:##### End User License Agreement #####
By creating an account on the FieldView server you acknowledge that:
Plantasy Studios own any and all rights to the account, and any information related to it.
You are not allowed to profit in any way from FieldView related material without written consent from a senior Plantasy Studios member.
Plantasy Studios can not be held responsible for any ill-effects, in any form, that may arise from using FieldView or related material.
Plantasy Studios reserves the right to terminate the account, or any other FieldView related material, at any time without prior notice.
Plantasy Studios reserves the right to stop providing the FieldView service at any time without prior notice.

##### Other Licenses #####
FieldView MMORPG Engine is copyright 2004-2006 Plantasy Studios
You are allowed to redistribute and share this program, provided the following conditions are meet:
-The original package must not have been altered, unless written consent is given from a senior Plantasy Studios member.
-You may not profit from this product in any way without written consent from a senior Plantasy Studios member.
-You may not decompile or in any other way try to gain access to the code without written consent from a senior Plantasy Studios member.

Posted: **Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:47 pm**

Nekrophidius wrote:
Patz QuickBASIC Creations wrote:May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?
Lies, ALL LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oenoneoneeleven

you spelled one wrong

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:48 pm**

Patz QuickBASIC Creations wrote:May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?

This sentence not English!

If you remove the appositive: "May I remind you Z!re is capable murder you?"

Anyway, ZLIB seems like a pretty nice license to me, but I usually prefer the GPL for non-libraryish things. Bad stuff happens when open-source software becomes closed-source (see Cedega, for example).

Posted: **Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:55 pm**

DrV wrote:
Patz QuickBASIC Creations wrote:May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?
This sentence not English! If you remove the appositive: "May I remind you Z!re is capable murder you?"

Anyway, ZLIB seems like a pretty nice license to me, but I usually prefer the GPL for non-libraryish things. Bad stuff happens when open-source software becomes closed-source (see Cedega, for example).

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He was not using the apostraphies as an appositive, merely as a tool to help the sentance flow and not become a run-on.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:21 am**

The structure is incorrect.

"May I remind you Z!re is capable, and likely to, murder you?"

In such a construct, you should be able to remove the phrase between commas and still have a coherent sentence. That isn't the case here, you end up with "capable murder you". This sentence cannot be written correctly in its present form, as "capable to murder" isn't correct grammar. So even if you move the comma to its correct place (right after "likely"), the sentence is still grammatically incorrect.

My English rules are a bit rusty but what I believe you're doing here is mixing an intransitive verb with an adverb in the same passage.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:41 am**

May I remind you that I am capable of, and likely to, murder you

Still not 100% correct, but atleast it would pass in an english essay now

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Correct way would be:
May I remind you that I am capable of murder. And that I am likely to murder you

While the . can be substituted for a , it's not "proper" english anymore, as the sentence becomes too long.. Proper english has a sentence limit of 6 words, average word lenght being 4.x characters..

All hail books about cryptography

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Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:54 pm**

Z!re wrote: Proper english has a sentence limit of 6 words, average word length being 4.x characters..

Was that a joke?

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:20 am**

RyanKelly wrote:
Z!re wrote: Proper english has a sentence limit of 6 words, average word length being 4.x characters..
Was that a joke?

Look it up yourself.. "sentence limit" is not an actuall limit, but it's the average lenght of an english sentence.
That and the average wordlenght is how cryptographers determine if a message is actually a real message, or just random crap..

Example 1:
asdf ghj a asdfgh qwerty! Asdf hkj m oiuyt asdf aaa.

Example 2:
asdfghjkl qwertyuiop mnbvxcz asdjfkdjs kajsuieueiie manskdjewerit lsdkfjadfkjkllasdf lkafdoiuerwerjsdaf kljasdfladfiuer! kajshfdksdjfh ewrwiuyriuwe oidsufaosidfuaoisdf wetlkjerlkjtwlekrtj bfnsdfmgnsbfg.

Which one looks more like two "proper" english sentences? Here's a hint.. it's example 1

Ofcourse there are encryptions which scramble that, so you cant determine what language it's from..
Every modern language has a unique average wordlen and sentencelen
Also repetition of characters, in english it's E (The most common)

Etc, yadda yadda.. Get the book Crypthography for Dummies (ya, it's good) or Applied Cryptography Through the Ages

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:44 pm**

Actually, Z!re, it's more correct to use the , rather than the . because breaking up a passage like that is improper grammar...proper English sentences should never begin with a conjunction when used in this context. The sentence wouldn't be too long, it's not a run-on sentence in any way.

Yes, it's true...not all Americans are English-illiterate.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:46 am**

Nekrophidius wrote:Actually, Z!re, it's more correct to use the , rather than the . because breaking up a passage like that is improper grammar...proper English sentences should never begin with a conjunction when used in this context. The sentence wouldn't be too long, it's not a run-on sentence in any way.

Yes, it's true...not all Americans are English-illiterate.

In the murder sentence case, it also depends on the tone you want to set, yuo could even slap in a ; for a longer pause and break up the sentence even more.

And grammar and "proper" english isnt the same, where "proper" I refer to the most common, and the way you detect if a text is english or not.
Not if a text follow english grammar to the letter. Which none of us do, not even close.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:26 pm**

I try to make a joke and it develops into this... I knew it was wrong but I was in a hurry to get it in.

Pete's QBASIC Site

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