Having met IT, they were not the kind of person I would let around children either. Probably more of a Loner. Often used profanity in example code.
You are right on about messing with a QB Forum! Why take the time to do that?
Ted
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What Zip did, it's like going and taking an old lady's purse and running around saying how awesome it was. The QB forums are pretty close to being dead as it is so what's the point of hacking into them? It's like getting joy by watching innocent children cry.
He/She should at least have higher priorities if he/she's going to hack into a site. Had it been 4 years ago that this occurred, this news would've been circulating around all QB forums.
Statistics: Posted by tlsuess — Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:23 pm
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The tribute has now been restored.
Statistics: Posted by roy — Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:54 pm
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I can load the RSS data from The QBASIC Forum without a proxy, but not access the forum itself? Weird.
Statistics: Posted by Michael Calkins — Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:55 am
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Aren't we veering off-topic here?
I would think so. Nowadays, I try to avoid QB/FB fights.It seems that most of the deleted stuff is back, as of quite some time ago. I haven't checked again recently. (I have to use a proxy to check, as Zip banned IPs of people he realized wouldn't support his revolution.)
Isn't it odd that Zip tried to create his own reality? He tried to make it look like a legitimate takeover. He tried to get people to accept it by lying. When people wouldn't accept it, he would start deleting their posts and banning IPs. Then, in a few cases, he'd make counterfeit posts containing, I believe, what he would have liked the people to have said. He tried to create his own little reality when the true reality (people strongly resisting his takeover) was undesirable...
Oddly enough, looking through some of my chat transcripts, Zip seemed like a good person to have around. Zip was funny, friendly, and definitely very smart and very intelligent (when not drunk and spewing racism (besides the chat transcripts, several people can confirm that)). Too bad we couldn't have had the good without the bad. Zip's name will be associated with shame for a long time after this, despite his potential value to the community. Too bad he had to be such a punk.
Some of the restored posts reveal what led up to Zip's attack.
Regards, Michael
P.S. One of my edited posts in this thread shows that the post has been edited by me. Most, like this one, do not. That's odd. Or does that have to do with how long afterward the post was edited, or whether someone already replied?
During the height of this, I had a lot of invalid session errors when trying to post to this thread. That's not evidence Zip could have compromised this account, is it? (an elaborate "man in the middle" attack, perhaps?) I changed this password to a strong one right before that, but my previous password was, I'm pretty sure, the same as my old Network54 password. Maybe I should change it again... I'm probably worrying for nothing...
P.S. $$$ between Zip and Z!re seem to be pretty common, nor are they new... I don't know Zip very well, and Z!re even less well, but on average, I'd say Zip was usually friendlier.
"$$$" above should be C o m p a r i s o n s, but for some reason it doesn't display correctly.
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Statistics: Posted by relsoft — Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:04 pm
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The challenge for me is to make working programs with a very basic coding language, but others saw FB as a better way to create programs and games. Fine with me!
The real threat to FB is nothing! But some of them see QB64 as an attempt to outdo FB. Perhaps it may in some respects as QB64 is being created by ONE person instead of a committee. Groups of people tend to push for more changes than might be necessary or wise. Even Galleon has been under pressure for compatability for Mac, Linux and other type OS's.
Thankfully Galleon has only added a few extra features that C enables him to use.
Ted
Statistics: Posted by burger2227 — Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:26 pm
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Competition is good and essential but as long as it's friendly competition and not something like Saxons vs. Vikings.
I mean it's good to keep improving your code to compete but not so that people turn against each other and the sides split into cults and form a "religion" (i.e. Macs vs. PCs).
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Thanks to that idea, coders have always tried to do the "impossible".
I am amazed at some of the stuff people have been able to do in QB. After almost 20 years, I can still do a lot more than one would think possible.
Competition is a FUNdimental way to create great programs. Lachies' game site is just one excellent example!
Ted
Statistics: Posted by burger2227 — Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:13 pm
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As for participating in FB, I was banned for life for posting stuff that FB people posted at our N54 site in the QB64 Forum. The attacks were unwarranted! Galleon never intended QB64 to be a FB clone. He is creating a compatable QBasic compiler for 32 or 64 bit machines. He also has started making a great IDE that tells you the status of your coding and points out mistakes.
Fortunately, I think, it has spurred more interest at FB to make it more compatable to QB code. I just gave up even trying to learn FB because of the administrators there. Face it! FB.COM wants to control most of the FB help and are banning the very people that may want to use it.
THEY DON'T CARE to forgive people with lifetime bans! So they lose.......
Ted
PS: One of those ignorant posters is right above this post, LOL
Statistics: Posted by burger2227 — Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:51 pm
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Uhm...Z!re is not a woman.
I guess some people have problems accepting this as a truth.Statistics: Posted by Lachie Dazdarian — Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:32 pm
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From what others have told me, especially in a few forums she moderated it does sound like a Zip. But, Zire had a lot of better things to do, I would think, than loafing in a QB place. Either way they know their stuff code and hacking wise.
FB Nazi admins. chased Z!re away. I love tough women!
Ted
Uhm...Z!re is not a woman.FB Nazi admins. chased Z!re away. I love tough women!
Ted
Statistics: Posted by relsoft — Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:20 am
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From what others have told me, especially in a few forums she moderated it does sound like a Zip. But, Zire had a lot of better things to do, I would think, than loafing in a QB place. Either way they know their stuff code and hacking wise.
FB Nazi admins. chased Z!re away. I love tough women!
Ted
Since you have been around all of the FB forums a lot... FB Nazi admins. chased Z!re away. I love tough women!
Ted
Statistics: Posted by Mentat — Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:14 am
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FB Nazi admins. chased Z!re away. I love tough women!
Ted
Statistics: Posted by burger2227 — Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:11 am
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